New gallup/usatoday Poll Mccain leads Obama +10

OK.. I am DONE with this softhand approach of dems.. WHAT the f***.. after biggest economic fuckup in american history since the 20's and BIGGEST fuckup in recent american history since vietnam war, george Bush's party is 10 points ahead of democratic party.. WTF is going on?

OK in reality, it might just be a 3-4 point lead, since convention bounces rarely last.. and a typical +6-+10 is average bounce that can never be sustained. However series of polls during this time, including gallup tracking poll +3 for Mccain, and zogby interactive poll (+4 for mccain) is troubling to a point of almost frustrating.

Just today I learnt that Bush has fucked up and added another tens of billions of dollars and guess what, BOTH Obama and Mccain thought it was the right thing.. here is a newsflash... IT WASNT.. how can bailing out fat cash cows of wall street be the right thing for american tax payer? On second note I heard Obama going back on rescinding bush tax cuts.. WT.. this isnt what he campaigned for.. WHERE IS THE BACKBONE.. WHERE IS THE courAgE to stand up for principles.. ahhhhhhh this is soooo disgusting..

OK.. nuff of my venting and here are some suggestions for obama..

STAND UP for what you believe in. dont cave in.. it doesnt make you any more trustworthy than you would want to be percieved as..

I see dems going rabidly after sarah palin. my question is WHY.. I dont see republicans going day in day out about Biden.. then why are we talking about Sarah Palin.. Ignore her.. thats the best strategy..

I can see why Mccain camp has caled this election election of personalities and not issues.. because they cant win on issues.. Hillary said it right.. republican party should apologize to the nation and move on..

If nothing there is one take out of sarah palins speech. Americans expect politicians to have clear convictions and govern with integrity.. when you try to be all over the place with your message.. your convictions get muddled and electorate gets confused as to who you are and what you want to achieve when you are elected to highest office.. Mccain and sarah Palin are wrong on ideas..  their beliefs are wrong and majority of americans dont agree with them.. thats the case we have to make.. present our case to rural church goer in ohio who is struggling to make both ends meet.. he/she is the one we have to make our case to.. and what they look for is someone who can assure them that Obama will put the country on right track and make economy fair..

ok nuff of my rant.. I want to see fire come the next few days.. not wimpy excuses and personal attacks on sarah palins 5 month old son or 17 year old pregnant daughter..

update: where did I get + 10 from? http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm

update: I gleefully add that only 15% of polling sample thought mccains speech was excellent compared to 35% fo Obama



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Re: New gallup/usatoday Poll (none / 0)

Crosstabs have it as a little odd. USA/Gallup have always been that way. But McCain'll be ahead on ths go round. But who cares about national polls? When Obama was ahead, I'd think, cool. But I'm more concerned about Virginia, Ohio, etc.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 10:08:29 PM EST

Re: New gallup/usatoday Poll (none / 0)

Be careful what you wish for. MI, FL, CO this week from PPP.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 10:09:16 PM EST
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I have a bad feeling (none / 0)

that you and I will look like assholes with our florida bloviating; if Palin isn't hurting McCain in Florida among Jews, Cubans, and seniors, she probably isn't hurting him anywhere else.

Where's oliver?  I thought for sure he'd jump all over this poll.


by Blazers Edge on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 10:11:51 PM EST
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Re: I have a bad feeling (none / 0)

I'm full of bad feelings. Another week with this result or worse and I'll be full of good tequila next weekend.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 10:18:17 PM EST
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Huh? (none / 0)

I'm pretty sure it was +4, not +10....

Please! +4 is bad enough, let's not exagerrate!


by Mystylplx on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 10:08:49 PM EST

NO it is 54-44 among LVs (none / 0)

50-46 among RVs. The Gallup LV model at this time of year really works against Dems, but it is the one that gets all the attention.


by Davidsfr on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 10:16:34 PM EST
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Re: NO it is 54-44 among LVs (none / 0)

Oh.


by Mystylplx on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 10:24:11 PM EST
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Re: NO it is 54-44 among LVs (none / 0)

A Likely Voter has to be over 26, however, keep that in mind.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:03:38 PM EST
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Re: NO it is 54-44 among LVs (none / 0)

I know. It's more the media narrative that will come of this that makes me sick.

On the plus side (and not to be a pollyanna) Obama gets to be the underdog again. He's good at that. Two months is plenty of time for a dramatic Obama "comeback."

And Palin does her first interview this week--unless she gets nothing but softballs it should be very interesting to hear her explain things like shooting wolves from helecopters, etc. And the troopergate investigation will be releasing their findings next month. Then there's the debates...

Hmmm... maybe I don't need to start drinking again after all...


by Mystylplx on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:19:18 PM EST
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Re: NO it is 54-44 among LVs (none / 0)

LVs are over 26? Based on what? Usually anyone who voted in the primary is a likely voter, many of them are 18. Gallup's model, described here, does not appear to include age. They take 60% of the eligible voters they reach ranked by likely-hood to vote from their three questions. 60% turnout is a reasonable assumption.


by souvarine on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:40:50 PM EST
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Re: New gallup/usatoday Poll Mccain (2.00 / 1)

Dude, this guy is a McTroll.  Engage him with that knowledge.


by AntiStipes on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 10:11:12 PM EST

Re: New gallup/usatoday Poll Mccain (1.00 / 2)

Yes, I wouldnt worry about these polls.

All is well.  Stipes says so.  All is well.  Don't worry.  Hope, change.  Not picking hillary didnt matter.

All is well.

You're getting verrrrrry sleepy.

Who's the McTroll, the guy warning us of bad roads ahead or the one gleefully asking us to ignore the cliff looming mere meters ahead of our speeding car?

McTroll, indeed.  YOU'RE the mctroll, stipes.  You're working to get us defeated.


by phillyandcheese on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 07:28:15 AM EST
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Re: New gallup/usatoday Poll Mccain (none / 0)

"Us?"  Who's the one who calls Obama supporters "diaper babies" right after the primary, then switches, thinking no one will notice and talks about how Hillary Clinton is useless and her supporters need to shut up in ever diary right before the convention, and is now a "Hillary supporter" again, stirring up things, once again, when people start sniping at each other?


by MeganLocke on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:13:13 AM EST
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Poll (2.00 / 1)

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/el ection2008/2008-09-07-poll_N.htm

The poll.  Four points.

There is a tendency for the bulk of people who always vote to be on the conservative side.  I think it has to come down to the Democratic voting base enlarging and actually voting.  The GOP has fewer voters but man do they come out.

Also, I grew up in the fifties during the Cold War and McCarthy, and that whitebread myth of what the US is is dying a very slow death.  Until it is gone, people in doubt and in crisis, well many will gravitate to the white guy who looks like Father Knows Best, or in this case the fundamentalist mommy with an edge who is the vision many working class women choose to have of themselves.


by mady on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 10:18:50 PM EST

Read a little further (none / 0)

You will see where they say the margin is 54-44 among likely voters. The diary title is correct.


by Davidsfr on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 10:26:34 PM EST
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Re: Read a little further (2.00 / 1)

I am not an optimist by nature, certainly not now, but defining likely voters in this election year is impossible.


by mady on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 10:39:36 PM EST
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Re: Read a little further (none / 0)

It does demonstrate that what we thought was true, was. The big, huge losses didn't come from Dems or new voters in the slightest, it's among older voters and hardcore conservatives.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 10:41:51 PM EST
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Re: Read a little further (2.00 / 1)

Yep, but LV model has many built in flaws, particularly in making in undercounting people who haven't voted before.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 10:40:46 PM EST
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n the new poll, taken Friday through Sunday, McCain leads Obama by 54%-44% among those seen as most likely to vote. The survey of 1,022 adults, including 959 registered voters, has a margin of error of +/-- 3 points for both samples.


what a relief
by anna shane on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 10:44:21 PM EST
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Re: Poll (none / 0)

"most likely to vote" is a guess based on 4 questions which are not particularly reliable, particularly in a high interest, high turnout year.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 10:46:28 PM EST
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Re: Poll (none / 0)

and some people lie, but it's best to face it and get working. On another post i suggested possible debate questions.  This isn't good.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:05:28 PM EST
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Re: Poll (1.00 / 4)

Remind me why you're hanging around here? Since you've worked actively to undermine Senator Obama and would be perfectly happy if he were to lose, if we would all personally suffer, as long as you got to engage in schadenfraude?


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:05:41 PM EST
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Re: Poll (none / 0)

On the contrary, I've done more to help him than you. I'm polite, and I've made suggestions on how he can win back blue collar democrats. I have not made nasty remarks to others, even if I disagree with them and I've stated clearly I'm voting for him. I did predict that it would not be a cakewalk and that he'd need to figure out how to reach out effectively to blue collar voters who went mainly for Hillary based on her solutions and her experience. What have you done to help him?  Please explain?  


what a relief
by anna shane on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:08:49 PM EST
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Re: Poll (none / 0)

See my reply below.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:11:16 PM EST
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Re: Poll (2.00 / 1)

Troll rate me all you want, it's true. Sorry. I sure would've been pissed if Obama lost, but I wouldn't throw a temper tantrum, and I damn well wouldn't have worked against Senator Clinton, and this is after being a Republican my entire life, and getting the firsthand brunt of their ire for the Clintons. It would've been easy to do; but I would never have done it.

Yet you're more than content to engage in a personal fit of pique; you and "the gang". Why would we ever want to work with you again? How could we ever trust you after this? I figure it's an even chance if things didn't go your way, you'd just bugger off, leaving us hanging in the breeze.

Serious question- IsThisSnark.com?


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:10:14 PM EST
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Re: Poll (none / 0)

I have no idea what you're talking about rage. While the primary was on I was for Hillary but I never said anything nasty about Barack and I did not throw any temper tantrums. I know the states, I know kids in Iraq, I know man who've been hurt in this economy, and if John win's were are going to have at least four scary and bleak years. I have nothing good to say about Sarah or John, and while it's true that I have not warmed up to Barack, I've given suggestions on how he can make me glad to vote for him, but been clear that whatever he does I could not live with myself if I failed to vote for him.  Things are very dire right now, and I'm well aware of the stakes.

A question, would you have voted for Hillary had she won the nomination?  Would you have tried to help her win over Barack's supporters who were on the fence?  Somehow you and two or three others make a point of saying unpleasant and personal things to me, and since it's a site violation I'm supposed to tr you.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:15:32 PM EST
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Re: Poll (2.00 / 0)

As I said, TR me all you like. I'm not stupid, I've perused Alegre's litterbox, I know the sorts of conversations you've been enaged with.

And you're damn right I would've voted for Senator Clinton. I can't say I would've liked it, but I'd have done it, and I sure as hell would've tried to convince other people to do the same. If I voted for John Kerry, I sure as hell could vote for Hillary Clinton- at least I know she could fight.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:20:55 PM EST
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well, you're wrong, but I'm glad to hear that you would have done the same as me.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:31:09 PM EST
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First Brady, now this (2.00 / 0)

Welcome back alcoholism.


"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"
by Brandon on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 10:49:20 PM EST

Hit Mccain! (none / 0)

This is about mcsame! About plain being a mini me bush and mcsame's decision to pick her!


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:06:29 PM EST

Re: Hit Mccain! (2.00 / 0)

A couple if points.

1. this is a bounce. which will come down

2. the most important internal is that 63% believe that McCain will carry out Bush's policies.

3. Finallt tell me what Gallup's track record has been this election cycle or last one. Not so good.


by BDM on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:31:40 PM EST
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...My Muslin faith! (2.00 / 1)

I am gong to f'in PUKE!   We are stuck with the rookie and the veteran is on the bench.   This is is a tragedy.  There is not way.  None.  That we should lose the White House this year.   None.  The generic numbers support us and we have more money and the incumbant GOP Prez is less popular than Nixon.    Yet here we sit in second place ... again.

Obama better take the gloves off and stop acting like a priss.


by RichardFlatts on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:36:02 PM EST

Debates will be crucial (none / 0)

Obama will have to turn it around in the Debates.
And I think he will be able to turn it around.

by ann0nymous on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:36:36 PM EST

Bad debater (none / 0)

Obama was a bad debater up until the last couple. And those were with people in his party that had to be careful about how he was attacked.

He will be going up against an experienced debater with no fear of attacking him.

I think it might be tough.


by del on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:13:57 AM EST
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Mccain leads Obama +10 (1.00 / 0)

Maybe we are on the cusp of a landslide after all.


Jim Martin for Senate!
by markjay on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:51:25 PM EST

Re: New gallup/usatoday Poll Mccain leads Obama +1 (none / 0)

THE SKY IS FALLING!!!! I'm saving this diary so I can laugh at all the chicken little's come election day.
Welcome to a landslide WITH white working class, latinos, women and holding on sweeties!!!
by spacemanspiff on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:34:02 AM EST

Obama screwed up (1.75 / 4)

didn't pick Hillary.  Sorry to rub salt in the wound- but it's true........


by easyE on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 12:48:33 AM EST

Simply reverting to form... (none / 0)

By and large American voters are stupid, selfish and self absorbed...with little concern beyond their own self prejudices when they vote...

Apparently things are not yet bad enough to rouse them from their usual form....

Not a surprise...I suspect it will close some before election day, but I don't see an outcome substantially different than the last two cycles...


by SaveElmer on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 01:42:08 AM EST

Re: This Would be Devastating ! (2.00 / 1)

Obama has about 8 weeks to Prevent the " Most Devastating" democratic party defeat in modern U.S. Presidential politics.

With all the domestic & international problems, the millions of very angry voters, the most unpopular President in history, and the Highest Amount of campaign funds in U.S. history in Obama's hands- A lost in November would be absolutely devastating to the democratic party.

With a perceived moderate McCain & the 1st woman VP, it would be the 2nd coming of the "Reagan democratic coalition. If we lose these voters, it would take many election cycles again to win them back.

It would also be the worst lost opportunity in modern political history.

No matter how you look at this, White voters will decide this election. Kerry got 41% of white voters & 89% of Black voters & still lost.

Gore received 42% of white voters & still lost.

Today, even the most optimistic democrats doubt very much that Obama can garner even 40% of all GE white voters.

He is running at 31%-34% of all white voters right now.

Every one white vote equals 4.5 black voters based on current voter population.

Obama will realistically received at least 95%-97% of all Black voters. ( Gore received 90%, while Kerry received 89%)

Obama's Hispanic numbers is pretty much identical with Kerry in 2004.

Therefore, Obama's fate still falls into the hands of White Voters. He will need enough white voters on his side.

Right now, he is having a very difficult time winning over large chunks of White Seniors & the White Blue collar voters.

Even our Union leaders are getting so much resisitance from working class white members.

The successful McCain convention just reinforced the view of many white Seniors & the white Working class.

Obama has less than 60 days to win them over.

Or we will have one very angry & bitter democratic party in November


by latinomaker on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 02:18:56 AM EST
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Re: This Would be Devastating ! (2.00 / 1)

Donna and John better think about updating their resumes.


by 2maddogs on Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 10:09:35 AM EST
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